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Nomads says:
Hi Yacine!
ElectronicShadow says:
Hi Marcelo!
ElectronicShadow says:
We’ve just sent some texts to you by email.
Nomads says:
Ok, we’re going to check. Sorry for our rush!
ElectronicShadow says:
No problem. We can send images too.
Nomads says:
It would be great! We have seen some videos on your website, which we could include on ours maybe. As I had explained to you, VIRUS is composed of two pieces, one printed and another virtual – a website.
ElectronicShadow says:
Ok
Nomads says:
We have decided to relate your project in Sicilia, Italy, and our  VIRUS website. When the user get into it will see a message saying: “here you are at 25th time zone…”
Nomads says:
After that it is asked to the user: where are you from? and he(she) has the possibility of interaction to answer.
ElectronicShadow says:
Thank you! It is our most important theme.
Nomads says:
Great! Would you like to explain it better? Go ahead!
ElectronicShadow says:
If you want we can answer all the questions right now, we have some spare time.
Nomads says:
Ok, great! There are other people from Nomads here too and they will have some questions to make to you.
ElectronicShadow says:
Ok. Naziha is right here by my side.
Nomads says:
Hi Naziha!
ElectronicShadow says:
Yes, the 25th time zone is the idea of a shared space, beyond the physical limits, thinking that architecture integrates the network in its own conception.
ElectronicShadow says:
Hi Marcelo!
Nomads says:
We would want to emphasize yours creation process too. Could you talk a little about it?
ElectronicShadow says:
Ok, the texts are description of the projects and they don’t say anything about our process. Then, we are going to answer.
Nomads says:
You have talked about the 25th time zone idea during our meeting in Paris, mentioning a possible relation to the concrete space, do you remember?
ElectronicShadow says:
Yes, we have created Electronic Shadow with this idea of hybridization between physical reality and digital extension.
ElectronicShadow says:
That idea can create new territories and a special relation to the space.
Nomads says:
Yes, I do remember what you said about having an apartment for sleeping and getting your bills… and it is in virtual space where the work really takes place.
ElectronicShadow says:
It is right.
ElectronicShadow says:
Actually, it is funny, but we do are products of a nomad cultural. It means that we don’t define ourselves related to a territorial origin. We are in movement, in-between, that get us back to the idea of hybridism. In those conditions, the virtual space becomes a place.
ElectronicShadow says:
We work and live thinking like that, with a complete mobile structure. Our website is the only fixed point we have. It has taken place when we lived in Palermo almost a year, and a year in Japan and Italy too.
ElectronicShadow says:
Because, more we have virtualized the relation to space more we have traveled, since the physical structure no more corresponds to the network range.
Nomads says:
How have you used the website as a reference point when traveling?
ElectronicShadow says:
Our server is really our office and our meeting room. After the initial meetings and preparatory phases, we have developed a website for each project in progress, which we have shared with our partners and clients, wherever they have been.
Nomads says:
Ok
ElectronicShadow says:
Our IP address is more important than our physical address because we barely stay more than two weeks on end at the same place.
ElectronicShadow says:
However, if someone sends us an email, (s)he will get an answer from us,
ElectronicShadow says:
wherever we have been physically.
ElectronicShadow says:
The idea for the French Cultural Center of Palermo, in Sicily, was to transfer to the Internet a part of physical space functions, splitting, then, some information and content between two spaces
ElectronicShadow says:
without having to move physically.
ElectronicShadow says:
But, it is important to pay attention that it is not a virtual thought totally, since this collaboration only can take place after a previous contact and, equally, it is necessary the existence of a receptor.
Nomads says:
How did it take place in Palermo?
ElectronicShadow says:
In Palermo, we stayed seven months to observe the work and to draw all the details.
Nomads says:
But, it seems to me that there was in the project an intention of getting closer the activities of physical space in the virtual, isn’t it?
ElectronicShadow says:
Yes.
ElectronicShadow says:
This dimension wasn’t done, but the principle was that any action or presence in the physical space would have consequences on the website and vice-versa.
ElectronicShadow says:
Then, each physical place would become the access to a network much more bigger.
Nomads says:
It seems to me that this idea was explored in an event organized between Helsinki and Palermo.
ElectronicShadow says:
Yes, it’s right.
ElectronicShadow says:
We have elaborated an interactive installation that allowed two audiences in the same shared space.
ElectronicShadow says:
We have called it Virtual Mediterranean.
ElectronicShadow says:
The idea was two seaports sharing the same sea, the information sea, and two audiences, in their own zone times, sharing the same space.
ElectronicShadow says:
Those researches and events have evoked the development of our actual work.
Nomads says:
And more about your creation process, how has it occurred in your daily professional life, or how have those ideas been constructed, interconnected, done…?
ElectronicShadow says:
As you know, Naziha is an architect and I am a director from TV and multimedia. We always start from the drawing, exchanging ideas, and usually, from completely different points that, at the end, get together in a complementary way between the space and the imaginary.
ElectronicShadow says:
After a lot of work, we have developed a language that makes Naziha to work with image in the same way I works with space. We think about both concepts in symbiosis.
ElectronicShadow says:
And considering the technical execution, each of us has his(her) specialities that come from the same conception phase.
ElectronicShadow says:
Thus, our productions imbricate in a completely dependent way the architecture, image (graphical design, photo, and video) and quite often the interactivity that is the third stone of this building.
ElectronicShadow says:
Once the project has been conceived, we elaborate the production of the parts directly dependent of us and our aesthetic and ask the specific tasks from suppliers, who can be a bricklayer, an electrician, a computer programmer, etc
ElectronicShadow says:
The production phase is quite important
ElectronicShadow says:
and it is the reason for having our own structure of production, which allow us to propose wide-ranging answers for each project.
Nomads says:
You say that in a nice way… It is wonderful the way you can organize the work from those ideas.
ElectronicShadow says:
Thanks, actually we have made a choice of life.
Nomads says:
Yes, it is what is understood: that in fact, every those instances have to be interconnected, from private life to the architect/artist way of production, and finally, to the characteristic of the products.
ElectronicShadow says:
Exactly, we have only one life!
Nomads says:
It is clear that everything is under the idea of hybridization.
ElectronicShadow says:
Yes, it is right. Is is the term that better explain our work. The idea of 25th time zone is the planetary spatial version of this concept, which can be found in our project Ex-îles.
Nomads says:
And what are the other concepts elaborated by your works? How do you dialogue with other fields of knowledge, as philosophy, arts, sciences…?
ElectronicShadow says:
In some way, we have tried not to delimitate our field of creation and even, to be always quite open. Our inspirations are extremely diversified, from scientific readings to more artistic narratives as cinema and literature…
ElectronicShadow says:
Our project H2O refers to the novel “The invention of Morel”, Bioy Casares.
ElectronicShadow says:
The architect and thinker Yona Friedman has influenced a lot our non-geographical vision, mainly with his work "Utopies réalisables". It is we have done through the virtual and the image physically performed: to become tangible some utopian realities as the 3minutes² project.
ElectronicShadow says:
But for us, the references and influences are always absorbed. Almost never they are the starting-point of a project.
Nomads says:
Are there any discourses, originated in the fine arts fields, which influence your graphical conceptions of interfaces?
ElectronicShadow says:
No.
ElectronicShadow says:
The history is so recent that we have contributed directly experimenting new ideas.
ElectronicShadow says:
Besides, the interfaces have been evolving too.
ElectronicShadow says:
At the beginning, the interfaces were metaphoric because we used to make references to the real,
ElectronicShadow says:
but, the interfaces have developed their own language and started to become more abstract.
ElectronicShadow says:
On our work, we have tried to keep away from the idea of metaphor, putting the body at the center of interactivity
ElectronicShadow says:
reducing little by little everything that there is between the body and the interaction. This is the direction we have adopted in our interactive installations and nowadays we have applied in other fields.
ElectronicShadow says:
The hybridization of the interface makes possible the act in other dimensions without a virtual double.
Nomads says:
The center of this reflection is the subject/object relation, seeking to relate them to the idea of hybridization…?
Nomads says:
seeking to integrate them…?
ElectronicShadow says:
Yes, definitely, again, it is the idea of hybridization.
ElectronicShadow says:
This is the reason we chose the name “Electronic Shadow”: if the shadow is electronic the subject will be absolutely real.
Nomads says:
Yes, but this idea brings the necessity of the mediation between subject and object, when talking about virtual worlds, isn’t it?
ElectronicShadow says:
For us, the virtual world does not exist distinct from physical world, showed in Matrix film. It represents a different extension of physical world.
ElectronicShadow says:
And, above all, the way we represent it today, is totally immersive and its perception happens through the body.
ElectronicShadow says:
This vision of virtual world is past. It was necessary, for common users, to accept the responsibilities related to the electronic world, but the corporal perception is still our measure for seeing our environment.
ElectronicShadow says:
The virtual and the physical space constitute a same space
ElectronicShadow says:
and the perception of it is in between of both.
ElectronicShadow says:
It is not more the virtual on a screen, but in a space, constituting this space.
Nomads says:
Thinking that the website VIRUS is for architectures, designers and students of these disciplines, we would like to know what you think about those professions and if you would have suggestions to enrich them.
Nomads says:
Actually, after all, we would like to know if you think it is necessary a specific education to conceive spaces and works hybrids.
Nomads says:
and which could be the role of architecture and designer in their production?
ElectronicShadow says:
We don’t know about the Brazilian situation, but in Europe there is an enormous tendency of segmenting the creation fields.
Nomads says:
It seems to be a planetary tendency, unfortunately...!
ElectronicShadow says:
The informatics has worked with a mixture of technical tools, but unfortunately, it has just segmented too.
ElectronicShadow says:
For the conception of the project it does not matter a specific profession, but rather, a final result, that implies much more components than only one profession.
Nomads says:
I remember that Naziha, in Paris, talked about her experience and studies in architecture. She said that all studies gave her a multidisciplinary range of chances, but in the last year, there was a diametrically opposed proposal and she had to formulate a specific final work.
ElectronicShadow says:
In fact, the architecture is one of the most wide-ranging professions, but it is true that once graduated, the architect does not deal anymore with all questions connected to a project. At the same time, there are many ways to produce at architecture.
ElectronicShadow says:
It is about generations.
ElectronicShadow says:
Today, any new architect cannot expect to practice exactly the same profession during his(her) whole life, based on the learning of some techniques.
Nomads says:
There would be a more or less voluntary relation among those ideas and proposals and the principles of transdisciplinarity and complex thought?
ElectronicShadow says:
It is the transdisciplinarity and the intention of mixing the influences on the creative plan as much as in the contents that take us to develop this hybrid thought of creation.
ElectronicShadow says:
Naziha studied architecture but she hesitated to work with film direction. I did almost the same but an opposed path.
ElectronicShadow says:
It is the option of choosing without exclusion.
Nomads says:
What main ideas would you like to emphasize for Brazilian students and professionals in architecture and design?
ElectronicShadow says:
Such responsibility! We have to think a little. Thank you for this tribune!
ElectronicShadow says:
At this moment, the technology is concerned again with the territory and the perception of physical space becomes central again for the elaboration of new spaces distributed on the network. This idea of architecture follows a thought much more global, a vision of a world with no boundaries and no limits.
ElectronicShadow says:
The local dimension, wherever it can be in the world, recovers its rights and permits the proposition of new utopians.
Nomads says:
We are happy the Brazilian people are going to read it. Sometimes we have noticed some resistance among architectures related to the new technologies. Some say the globalization is not always wanted, or then, in opposite, they regret of being away of “big axes of the world”…
ElectronicShadow says:
Today, a lot of people see Brazil when talking about utopian.
ElectronicShadow says:
From the moment we understand the world with no center, all the world becomes a potential center.
Nomads says:
Dear friends, we thank you for this interview so full of energy, new ideas and hope!
ElectronicShadow says:
Thank you.
ElectronicShadow says:
We are quite happy for contributing like that to the network.
Nomads says:
We have one more question.
Nomads says:
It is the same that the website VIRUS users should answer when getting to the 25th zone time. It is about the physical place they are at the access moment.
Nomads says:
“Where are you from?”
ElectronicShadow says:
We are in Paris.
Nomads says:
Are you writing from there?
ElectronicShadow says:
Yes.
ElectronicShadow says:
If you have Google Earth we’ll send to you our precise position.
Nomads says:
Cool!
ElectronicShadow says:
This is the 25th time zone!
Nomads says:
Yes, and we are quite happy for having meet you!
Nomads says:
Thank you, Naziha and Yacine. All Nomads send hugs!
ElectronicShadow says:
Hugs to everybody too.
ElectronicShadow says:
See you!
Nomads says:
See you!